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    Cash Staker

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    Dispute/Refund claim against A3D

    Post by Cash Staker on Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:22 pm

    This refund claim is for mine(cash staker) and my friend (dollarstake)'s bets on A3D.

    A3D continuously lied about his streaks and my bets were based on his word. I understand if he does it once but when he does it repeatedly AND tries to manipulate his counter, I just feel sad he did all of on a live stream that gets saved.
    Staked on his own while he was open. some bets included fc, some didn't.

    His first lie at 2x wins-1x loss. claimed at 2x loss. this could have been a mistake but then he also updates his streak counter to set that.





    X1 WIN AFTER X6 LOSS AT 03:20


    X2 WIN AT 03:24 (HIS MONEY+FC)


    X1 LOSS WITH HIS MONEY AT 03:34, NO BETS TAKEN FROM FC AND NOR INFORMED


    PROOF OF LOSS


    UPDATES HIS COUNTER

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    KEEP CHECKING HIS COUNTER IN THE FOLLOWING












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    TAKES OUT HIS OWN MONEY


    CANNOT SEE IT HERE BUT AT 03:35:20 - CLAIMS HE IS AT 2X LOSS FROM 3X WIN - CHECK TWITCH FOR CONFIRMATION
    ACTUALLY AT 1X LOSS FROM 2X WIN


    DOLLAR BET ON THIS BECAUSE HE CLAIMED TO BE AT 2X LOSS - NOW AT 2X WIN FROM FROM 1X LOSS



    TAKES OUT HIS MONEY TO STAKE ON HIMSELF-DOESNT EVEN WAIT TO PAYOUT FOR OLD STAKE-HE DOES IT LATER THO



    LOOKS FOR STAKES ON HIS OWN



    LOSES HIS STAKE, NO MENTION OF ANYTHING ON FC. NOW AT 1X LOSS FROM 2X WIN



    UPDATES HIS COUNTER, I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT THE FUCK HES DOING WITH HIS COUNTER SO IVE LOST TRACK



    NOW HES AT 2X LOSS FROM 1X WIN ALL OF A SUDDEN AGAIN EVEN THOUGH HES AT 1X LOSS FROM 2X WIN
    (CLOSE UP OF CHAT FROM PREVIOUS PICTURE)


    CONTINUES TO LOOK ON HIS OWN-NO MENTION OF BREAKS


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    WINS-NOW AT X1 WIN FROM 1X LOSS



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    WINS HERE AGAIN, NOW AT 2X WINS FROM 1X LOSS


    STILL LOOKING/STAKING ON HIS OWN. NO WORD ON THE FC AND YET UPDATING HIS COUNTER. HIS COUNTER GIVES ME CANCER AT THIS POINT



    FIGHTS AGAINST OPEN BAR AND  BETWEEN 03:57 AND 04:00


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    FIGHTS THIS GUY AGAIN AND LOSES THIS TIME-AT X1 LOSS NOW





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    LOSES AGAINST THIS GUY NOW - AT 2X LOSS



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    FIGHTS OPEN BAR AND WINS-BACK TO 1X WIN



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    FIGHTS AGAINST THIS GUY AND WINS-2X WIN


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    ME AND MY FRIEND STARTED BETTING AT THIS POINT-OBVIOUSLY THE FUCKER LIES AFTER WINNING THE LAST 2. JEEZ



    Last edited by Cash Staker on Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:58 am; edited 2 times in total

    Cash Staker

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    Re: Dispute/Refund claim against A3D

    Post by Cash Staker on Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:24 pm

    In case anything is not legible, the time stamps are provided and you can check them yourself from his twitch account. if you cannot see the timestamp, ask.

    Cheers

    I haven't posted my own stakes after this point. I have all screenshots and twitch will ofcourse stay until he deletes it or something.

    Purpose of this is to prove that he is defrauding this FC and ruining it for everyone else. If this is enough proof for that, then i should qualify for a full refund.
    I'd prefer talking about that in private if thats okay with whoever is responsible in this case.

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    Re: Dispute/Refund claim against A3D

    Post by EUR0 on Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:04 pm

    Hmm cash staker is right . I would agree with him he has many proofs / maybe a3d said wrong streak cause he was stressful not sure but still thats rf cause guy didnt know right streak .

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    Re: Dispute/Refund claim against A3D

    Post by Cash Staker on Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:20 am

    I've had a chat with luciana and a3d. and we were unable to come to result. I am waiting for another to admin, I'd prefer it if it was coin. So if someone can get a hold of him, that'd be great. thanks.

    I'll update this post to properly reflect my arguments.

    P.S: Apologies to dani for the disrespect

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    Re: Dispute/Refund claim against A3D

    Post by Cash Staker on Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:20 am

    So there has been further discovery.

    A3D has not just done this here but he has been doing this in a few other sessions as well.

    I have provided all proof of what he has done in my first post.

    I have a screenshot of ts pm from coin stating that it is wrong.

    Whether it was intentional or not, that is irrelevant.

    I come here in a safe environment to bet on. Is that environment free? No it is not.

    I am paying for a service just as you are making money from that service.

    Betters and me are more inclined to bet on hosts when there loss streak is high. He keeps on doing it repeatedly, And that influences me to bet on him. I will 100% accept loss if does makes these fraudulent claims. If I'm betting on you, I am betting higher based on your word. and the proof for that? all the above. Check our all hosts streams I've bet on. You will see the same pattern.

    Why do i do that is irrelevant, the fact is I do.

    I accept that every stake is 50/50 but thats not why people bet more. they bet more because of higher loss streaks and he's lied repeatedly. Whether he is dishonest or not, that's not my problem. I come here and pay the commission for that safety.

    And regardless of any of that, It's a simple case false claims, once would have been understandable but repeated sounds nothing less than malicious, especially on this scale. His false claim means his bets should be void. Whether i would have bet the same or not is not the point. the point is simply that hes broken the rules.

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    Re: Dispute/Refund claim against A3D

    Post by Cash Staker on Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:26 am

    If I am in the wrong then fc needs to correct its rules and state that all these things are okay because there needs to be one rule, which is why people trust these chats and is the reason why this fc is as successful as it is for 3 years and you also claim to be the most trusted fc.

    And my reason for claiming every bet is void is not because i would have lost or won. It's simply because every one of those bets, i was misinformed. And if you continue to defend with the 50/50 theory for A3D. then treat every bet as independent, that just further strengthens my argument since he is contradicting himself, he should either say it right every time, or never at all.

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    Re: Dispute/Refund claim against A3D

    Post by A Real Tool on Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:31 am

    Reviewed, a solution is in the works, some form of refund will be given, for now this topic is locked, thank you for the dispute.
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    Re: Dispute/Refund claim against A3D

    Post by Coin on Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:04 pm

    A3D will refund everything thanks for posting this cash staker. Solved&Locked





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